[Realmcraft] Resolution to the Sherian War

[Eyvind Redbeard]

Thanks Juan

[Malkaer Andares]

When is this stuff beginning IC?

[Malkaer Andares]

What is the cause of the hold up? I would really appreciate a swift conclusion for this so that I have a bit of winter left before the season change.

[Erenthril Mael'tharias]

Malkaer, you have available FT.

Every player in the war has been using that FT since all this resolution whatnot has happened.

You waited long enough between posts from Gauls to Steve to warrant my irritation at throwing frustration at Juan simply because he's over-extending himself to satisfy player interests in the game.

Season changes September 1st mate, I don't think anyone here is going to blame you for making a few new threads in between now and then.

[Crimson]

When will the war end IC then?

This is a big deal for many people, especially those who invested heavily in funding it

[Riconus Xind'ell]

Hmm, so the Empire is going to officially recognize Orckon as an independant state? Considering the thousands of Aelyrians the orcs have slaughtered, along with the cities they have all but destroyed, wouldn't there be some sort of civilian outcry and anger towards the political establishment upon hearing of this retreat-- er, I mean, "Imperial Withdrawal"?

Perhaps I'm just thinking pessimistically, but I would have to imagine that in the eyes of a common Aelyrian citizen, the idea of all the might in the Imperial Legions leaving Sheria without victory, only to return to their homes that have likely been destabilized due to their prolonged absence, would make the Empire seem rather... weak.

I fully agree with your decision Juan, to finally end this plotline and move on. I'm just wondering, in lieu of the Empire's concessions, will there be any oppurtunity for future plots involving PCs who wish to perhaps challenge/support this treaty IC?

Yours,
Rick

[Dimnersti]

Public response, noble response, etc, are non entities within game. There are many things the pupulace should be responding to but are not.

Many examples, the war had no economic impact, the citezenry shows little to no discontent over it, the more powerfull individuals, many of whom had their power stripped by milo, and would most feasibly be losing a fair bit of money in response to the event, none of them show any discontent. Cities that are destroyed every other season, never move, just keep rebuilding, etc

The populace is an entirely non entity.

[J'lyara]

I haven't been involved directly much yet and I'm one of those people that endlessly holds up threads, much to my dismay. But to me, the thing that has always been so wonderful about Aelyria is that we don't always have to post at the same speeds for plots to continue and that other moderators can pick up where one moderator left off.

From what I can understand after reading this, the war has been frustrating and drawn out, too many cooks in the kitchen, etc...but it was a war. Isn't that to be expected? If a wedding can take a year to be roleplayed out why wouldn't a war of such major impact do the same? It would be disappointing to me not to see it played out to a proper in character conclusion. Why can we not work with what's happened and try to aim for some continuity despite mistakes and gaps. There may still be some players willing to play it out accurately. It really doesn't seem to me that the Imperial army would just back away and let the Orcs win. It doesn't make sense. But what's happened in character has happened, we could pick up from there and continue in a way that fits the situation.

I do feel we should be showing some hardships from this in character. For instance, as much as I hate it out of character, I feel that the tobacco plantation Pala and I set up should be pretty much ruined, that it should be affecting our business in such a way that we need to shut it down or roleplay figuring out a way to stay in business under such dire circumstances. Just because it's unpleasant...and it is unpleasant. I was very, very upset ooc to see such a thing happen to Sheria, but I still feel that we should deal with it all in character and roleplay out the threads without making it all decided ooc and having assumptions made that might not have happened in character if played out.

I hope it doesn't upset for me to include my thoughts on it since I'm so rarely involved in these types of discussions, but I felt compelled to speak also.

[Dignitas]

Forgive me for speaking on something I haven't been directly involved with, but I just wanted to show my support for Riconus's points. To the eyes of the average Aelyrian I imagine the Empire's political recognition of Orkon being an independent state would be a major concession and perhaps a very sensitive issue for those in Sherian (or families of the soliders who died in battle.)

PS: I am largely wondering what the public opinion of this would be when coupled with the report in the Herald not so long ago that said the Legions were losing men/effectiveness. Seems like anything but total victory for the Empire and unconditinonal surrender on the part of Ire, would enforce this viewpoint.

[Palacrisis D Jones]

As I see this situation


The war is over until at least spring XV

The Orcs have returned to Ire and Narim and no longer threaten eastern Sheria .

The war never got beyond a geographical point which can be demarcated as being the southern Taralon mountains south to the coast.

The western southern area of the province is in dire straits with the slash and burn policy of the military and the looting of the Orcs to sustain their army in the field

Eastern Sheria has an influx of refugees which will strain its resources.

The weather is unusually severe and would prevent any meaningful fighting this season.


Certain elements of the volunteer Sheria militia have deserted ~ there is no evidence that the imperial forces are not under full military discipline.

All outstanding threads should be considered to be non playable as the heavy snow will allow no movement and participants would retreat to shelter ASAP. [controversial point]

Policy has yet to be role played out concerning the ultimate fate of the Orcs.

In my opinion should players wish to return to this story line it is still available after the winter that will give everyone a breathing space and allow proper disciplined moderation to take place.

[Riconus Xind'ell]

Thank you Dignitas, I fully agree. For the people of the Empire to stand idly by while a small city-state acquires its independance through the slaughter of thousands seems somewhat unrealistic, at best. At worst, one might ask if the orcs in Ire can get away with such violations, why wouldn't other conquered peoples rise to the oppurtunity as well, such as the dorins in Zenith or the Elves in Syl'rosya?

By showing no outrage or discontent towards the failure of the Imperial Government and its forces to retain possession of its realm - as well as grant Orckon pardon for the countless Aelyrian citizens it killed - Dimmy would appear very accurate in claiming the general populace of the Empire as a non-entity.

[Dimnersti]

heh, it probly came off a lil harsh, but I tend to be of the view that you canot apply things in a hodgpodge manner, you either consitently do, or you consitently dont.

and while I wholey agree that some of the solutions given in view of a whole host of mitigating facts and factors, are almost kind of absurd. Unless your going to push to have them applied to IC developments in general, you just end up creating an even greater absurdity in the mismatch of IC reactions and play.

[Eyvind Redbeard]

I think the recent Herald Announcement regarding the change from Empire to Kingdom and the known opinions of some leaders involved in the war make it fully understandable that there might be a greater threat than the Orcs to the integrity of the Aelyrian EMPIRE.

[Eyvind Redbeard]

It has been months...where is the resolution?