Thanal Powers

[Straylor Leonard]

According to the Imperium:

Title XVIII ~ The Municipia

ARTICLE 100
Lord Thane

The Governor of the Province, through the grace of the Emperor, shall select a Lord Thane in whatever fashion and manner is most appropriate for the inhabitants of the city over which the Lord Thane shall rule and reign, and once selected, the Lord Thane shall thusly assume office and domicile within the limits of the city in which he shall serve.

ARTICLE 101
Council of the City

The Citizens of the City may convoke and convene a popular council, and elect through manners and procedures of their own choosing, a Council President, who shall preside over the council and provide advice to the Lord Thane. The Lord Thane, in turn, may dissolve the City Council, either in part or in whole, and permit the council to be reconstituted. The City Council may collectively vote to deny confidence in any official of the city, requiring thusly the Governor of the Province to either remove said official and appoint another official enjoying the confidence of the city council, or to disregard the act of the city council. In turn, the City Council may also petition the Imperial Senate for a review, and engage in all privileges of any organized institution of the Realm.

ARTICLE 102
Council President

The Council President shall serve for a fixed term of one year, or until he is forced to resign, or until the City Council votes to demonstrate a lack of confidence, or unless otherwise not held in the grace of the Lord Thane, the Governor or the Emperor. The Council President shall have unimpeded access to all institutions of the Realm at the municipial level of administration, and shall exercise the power of summons to perform investigations and questionings of individuals within the limits of the city.

ARTICLE 103
Prefect

The Lord Thane shall appoint from among the inhabitants of the city over which he rules, provided that those inhabitants are citizens of the Aelyrian Empire and possess talents and skills conjoined with an affinity for law, a Prefect, who shall serve as the chief judicial magistrate of the city and take possession of the instruments of law and justice in the name of the Lord Thane, serving through the graces of the Lord Thane, the Governor and the Emperor, and ruling as specified through Proclamation Iustitia.

ARTICLE 104
Prefecture

Section 1: The Prefect shall establish a Prefecture responsible for overseeing the implementation of law, the preservation of order, and the maintenance of justice from within the municipial boundaries of the Realm, and shall establish as many other Prefectures as needed to accomplish this task. In so doing, the Prefect shall appoint persons of skill and merit to the following positions, as many needed to provide appropriate function of the courts:
a.Conservators of the People, to defend the accused at no expense;
b.Advocates of the People, to practice the law; and,
c.Rogators of the Realm, to conduct investigations.

Section 2: Furthermore, the Prefect shall reserve the power to confer licenses to practice the law, in any manner and fashion that he may so deem appropriate, and these licenses shall be accepted throughout the Realm and the Empire, in manners specified under Proclamation Iustitia.

ARTICLE 105
Constable

The Lord Thane shall appoint a Constable, who shall in turn be responsible for maintaining order within the city in close coordination with the Prefect. The Constable may appoint deputies from among the local population in order to facilitate the tasks charged to him under the applicable mandate, and shall defer to the Lord Thane, who may dismiss and relieve him as he sees fit.

ARTICLE 106
Aedile

The Lord Thane shall appoint an Aedile from among the citizens of the Aelyrian Empire residing within the city, and said Aedile shall be chiefly responsible for overseeing commerce, public works, public housing, and any other services that the municipial government may require of him under the mandate set forth in Civitate. Furthermore, the Aedile shall reserve the power to accredit factions, trade guilds, adventuring leagues, and any other institution of public association so requiring licenses to function, as the law may require.

ARTICLE 107
Commanders and Commodores

The Lord Thane shall include the participation of any Commanders and Commodores of the Armed Forces of the Aelyrian Empire, who, having been stationed within the limits of the city to command regiments or armadas, respectively, shall be accountable solely to their superiors and have the responsibility to ensure defense of the locality to which they have been assigned.

Assuming that the previous Council of the City is dissolved after each Thane (in this case, a fraud named Glory), Straylor only has a Vice Thane (former Aedile), Prefect (who he hasn't had much contact with) and a Chief Constable. There's been no RP of a Council or anything of that sort. If anything, we are still looking for a Senior Aedile, and ppl to fill the Council.

Help?

I would like to pass several new legislations IC but I don't know if Straylor has to go through any hoops to do so. Or does he just sign a piece of paper and his will be done?

Those legislations will benefit Trysvale primarily of course

[Malkaer Andares]

The Council of the City (aka City Council), as the AoI indicate, is a popular council. A club of town notables most likely. While the Thane can dissolve the institution itself it is very unlikely that it ceases to exist in practice. It is certainly not dissolved by default every time a new Thane is appointed by the Governor. You are confusing the Thane’s senior executive helpers as the Equite, Aedile, Prefect and Constable, which is indeed sometimes wrongly referred to as the City Council, with this citizen’s council. The base of this confusion stems from the fact that the Governor and his senior executives such as the Lt Gov, Justicar and Provincial Commander do form something called the Provincial Council or Cabinet.

Filling a City Council with PC’s is not very realistic, unless you happen to have a retired political pc in town. Best bet is to make an agreement with the GM to arrange a few noteworthy npc’s to sit in it.

As for legislation it depends how revolutionary your reforms are. It all starts with signing a piece of paper, but depending on the magnitude of your reform, your acting after that determines whether your plan on paper will in effect materialize.

And you have to make sure city legislation does not run counter to provincial or imperial.

[Straylor Leonard]

Thanks Malk

Well, since Lady Glory was illegally Lady Thane of Trysavle (the Governor never knew anything about it) and Lyr sorta disappeared during his stint as Thane of Trysvale, I assumed that no City Council existed after Glory? At least, nothing official?

This all depends on the GM of Trysvale of course Who is non-existent at the moment

Either way, I was just going to allow people to 'buy' more 'free' farmland after their original 50 or 100 acres was recieved. Allow the town to produce more foodstuff, I say! Nothing fancy. Just a modification of the previous limitations of the FREE FARMLAND motif.

And, yes, NPCs for the City Council sounds more reasonable. But as it is written, it looks like they need the Thane's permission to reconsitute anyway? As in, people just can't suddenly become members of the City Council even if someone votes for them? The Thane has to approve of their legitimacy either way?

[Gossamer]

Might want to be aware that the AoI are now obsolete and null and void. Milo currently is in the process of redesigning his government so this all very well might change.

Life is so exciting.

[Straylor Leonard]

Wait, so all our previous titles / jobs in the government no longer existst? lol

Strange how Straylor was also appointed as Consul after Milo became Prince (at least TS wise )

[Dimnersti]

heh, it takes time for information to filter out to the provinces. governors probly still dont even realy relize they have to start defending their jobs.

heh, though I'm hoping milo fires everyone and declares only levienes or however its spelt can hold governorships and the like :-p

[Larien Gil'dae]

Ooo now here's an interesting question: Once Milo reworks the government will all those people with training in Law and Politics suddenly have to forfeit those skills? Considering the teaching for that is based off the AoI, I would think so... but I dunno! xD

[Lyr Tlansson]

hey hey, just to set the record straight, Lyr didn't just ditch the place... he was kicked out. In his defense. Otherwise he would very much have liked to draw that handsome salary of his for a lot longer.

I can tell you that there was nothing about a city council ic or ooc when Lyr was there: neither I nor fetch mentioned one, and since the place was in transition with roland as interim thane before Lyr it's quite possible that the City Council never was actually convened during that time.

[Malkaer Andares]

If a City Council existed and Glory as illegitimate Thane dissolved it, this move never occurred legally. So if Lyr also never tampered with it the council should still exist. It is just one of those things we should assume exists even though we do not rp it, like tax collection.

But as it is written, it looks like they need the Thane's permission to reconsitute anyway? As in, people just can't suddenly become members of the City Council even if someone votes for them? The Thane has to approve of their legitimacy either way?

While some passages of the AoI are open to many interpretations I think 101 is pretty clear. No, the article states the Thane must permit the citizens to reconstitute after he has dissolved it in whole or part. Of course he can dissolve it again after it has reconstituted, but then you get a political crisis as the council would reconstitute again and likely make a vote of no confidence in the Thane, bringing the Governor down his neck. In theory that is. Usually the people just form a lynch mob instead of trying to act within the law.

The article does not say how the council of the city might be formed and who can be part of it so it is likely a self-regulating mechanism which ensures only the notables of the town have a seat in it.

Saying that the AoI are null and void seems a bit rash without any IC declaration from the (former) Imperial Government. It might change, but until then the AoI is still the constitution.



Edit: On the actual proposition, I think that is well within a Thane's mandate. I wonder though where all that previously unused farmland comes from. People have lived in the Empire for ages so you would imagine all good land to be owned by someone by now.

[Parreyon Syndicus]

Until the actual government restructure is finalized and a certain katta can rewrite the new 'laws', the AoI is still the ruling document.

My hope, goal, objective (assuming Milo agrees) would be that the release date of these new rules, laws, whatever we call them are set to a current timestamp and not backdated. That is all we need with three months of FT come spring is to release the new laws on the first day of spring but three months from now right before summer or something stupid like that. By the Aetherians I hope we don't grandfather a post with the 'new rules' either ... GF'd threads suck and screw things up. The fact that we are running a 'Throneworld' thread set for the first day of winter which is no where near complete and spring just around the corner ... meh ... i'm complaining. By all means everyone can pop me a PM if ya got questions

Larian - i've been quite curious about this myself. I think that half of politics, especially the xp, is based on how someone acts and not necessarily the training. Now us lawmen, truth be ... might have to start all over

Malk - absolutely correct. The council can be formed by any means the thane chooses; public election, thane picks, etc. I would assume that the thane, in order to put people by his/her side that agree with his politicing, would pick the positions. After all this is a feudal society and no where near a democracy. That being said, i agree with the rioting aspect as well. The upper echelon might not even know a riot took place because the governor would want to squelch the act immediately in order to save his or her own hide from being fired for letting a riot take place. Take the William Wallace/Braveheart movie as an example. The king didn't even find out about the riot until the magistrate of the region was killed and had attention focused on the area.