[Discussion] City Profile - Jaedaxia

[Wynd]

Originally Posted by Aastr Kar'Qhen

Great idea, Wynd! Heh, I guess you came across this in my House Hunting thread. I had to find a translation for "Chien-Homme."

Perhaps it would help to explore the origins of the word "orc" and make a translation from there. Laid Abberation is fine and derogatory, but it's a big word. Maybe I'm just too
American, though, since we like everything short. :P I suppose people would wind up saying just "Abberation," and for the Dracon, "Demon." But for the dracon, maybe you can just slightly alter the French word for dragon, since that's all "dracon" seems to be.

Also some words just stay the same between languages, as one will adapt the other in its own pronunciation.

*shrugs* I rather like the "Fils de Démon," and it wouldn't be the longest the French translation for a singe English words. They aren't uncommon, actually, strings of French words for one English word. They make up for it by speaking quickly. And the French for dragon is "dragon," so altering it would just come up with dracon again. And Fils de Démon has already been established and used IC.

Regarding Orcs, I'm not too keen on "Laid Aberration" either, it was just the first thing that came to mind, so I went to Wikipedia and got this:

Sources of the name "orc"

In Beowulf, ll: 112,the zombie-like Grendel's race is described as Orc-néas, which seems to mean "corpses of Orcus." Orcus, in Roman mythology, was an alternative name for Pluto, Hades, or Dis Pater, god of the land of the dead. The name "Orcus" seems to have been given to his evil and punishing side, as the god who tormented evildoers in the afterlife. Like the name Hades (or the Northern Hel, for that matter), "Orcus" could also mean the land of the dead. Tolkien derived his 'Orcs' from this passage in Beowulf. (See below.)

However, the word "orc" had long existed in English as the name of a type of sea monster. This derives ultimately from Pliny the Elder's description of the orca, modulated through the long tradition of Medieval Bestiaries. In his Natural History, Pliny described a creature that was "so monstrous and aggressive a whale, that no words are adequate to describe it, except as a huge mass of flesh armed with menacing teeth." Historia Naturalis 9.v.12

According to one medieval source, Charlemagne encountered and destroyed an orc that attacked his ship in the Mediterranean. In Orlando Furioso, an epic by Ludovico Ariosto, the name of "orc" was given to a sea monster that captured the damsel Angelica, and was fought by the hero Rogero riding a hippogriff. This orc was huge, scaly, tusked, pig-nosed, and bristled.

A land-dwelling orc also appears in Orlando Furioso, XVII: 29. This "land orc" is a blind giant with a long nose and tusks jutting out like a savage swine. The land orc is a cannibal who holds king Norandino and his men captive in a cave. The story is reminiscent of the tale of Polyphemus. It should be noted that, in Italian, "orca" means a killer whale while "orco" means an ogre, a humanoid creature.

From this usage, the word "orc" made it into English by being used by Michael Drayton in his Polyolbion, an epic poem about Brutus the Trojan and the mythical founders of Britain, and also appears in the epic poem Paradise Lost, by John Milton.

Going by the first paragraph, we could call Orcs "Jorel-cadavres" which is Jorel-corpses or "Jorel-nées" which is Jorel-born.

I don't think Alleria's Orcs should share the same name as "whales" so, we can skip that.

Regarding the Italian "orco" meaning ogre, Ogres and Orcs are two separate things in Alleria, right?

So that leads me to opt for "Jorel-nées" or "Jorel-cadaveres" Your thoughts?

[Rukahn]

The dracon name is fine with me. You know more about French then I do, you silly Canadian, you.

Yes, I was wondering whether "dragon" was exactly the same in French.

As for orcs . . . well, maybe the word could be the same in Charismean. Just like "dragon." Either that, or you can Frenchify the word "orc" as you see fit; you know, alter the spelling and pronunciation to give it that flavor. Or you can just stick with one of those longer names. I like the first two choices, but whatver floats your boat, Wynd.

[Alexis Sapientia]

Jaedexian Military Government
Imperial Protectorate of Northumbria

Organizational Chart

Lieutenant General Arokan Craelius,
Imperial Overseer of the Imperial Protectorate of Northumbria.
II Imperial Legion, Commanding.

Major Rak’kel, aide.

(Both currently resident in Chateau Rose.)

--Quartermaster-General Esteban Alix (Chateau Valerian)
responsibilities: having charge of all logistical requirements for the II Imperial Legion, from feeding, to clothing, to provisioning and outfitting. Also charged by Imperial Mandate to take charge of the insurgents and revolutionaries until such time that a specially-created Imperial Court or Tribunal can try those accused. (My best guess is that he’s the one next-in-command should Craelius’ position be vacated).

----Warden of Chateau Valerian (Chateau Valerian)
Responsibilities: under the supervision of QM Alix, has direct charge of the security arrangements for Chateau Valerian as well as maintenance of the prisoners and the dungeons beneath it. Coordinates with his counterpart, the Commandant of the Refugee Camp, with regard to the transfer and vetting of inmates.

----Provost Marshal [unnamed] (La Siège du Protectorat du Paix)
responsibilities: under the supervision of QM Alix, has charge of the maintenance of order and the preservation of the internal security of the city, which includes all Points of Control, the military police, as well as the arrest of all insurgents. By default, the members of the Protectorat du Paix fall under him. The Chief Constable equivalent under the Alyssan Civitate.

----Judge Advocate General [unnamed] (Logent de Briguons)
responsibilities: under the supervision of QM Alix, has charge of the prosecutorial aspect of the rebellion. Until such time that the Empress convenes the special Imperial Court, he is charged with the preparation of solid evidence for the successful trial and conviction of the oligarchs. In the meantime, he also directs, with the approval of QM Alix and consent of General Craelius, which lesser criminals have a date with Madame la Guillotine. The Prefect equivalent under the Alyssan Civitate.

----Adjutant (Major Rak’kel?) (Chateau Rose)
responsibilities: under the supervision of General Craelius, deals with all the noble deputations and government emissaries sent to see General Craelius, the Imperial Overseer, and also serves as his cordon sanitaire. Also has charge over all personnel assignments and appointments. Akin to a Minister for External Affairs.

----Paymaster [unnamed] (Chambre du Commerce)
responsibilities: under the supervision of QM Alix, has charge of the auditing and sequestration of all monetary and physical assets of those charged with crimes of a rebellious, insurrectionary, or seditious nature, and also collects and remits taxes. As a side-job, he collects all issued specimens of the Jaedexian protocurrency. The Treasurer equivalent under the Alyssan Civitate.

----Superintendent of Structures.
responsibilities: has charge of all buildings, grounds, and structures within the Imperial Protectorate. Coordinates often with the Commandant with regard to the citizens who need to be ‘evacuated’ to the Camp, as well as with the Paymaster.

----Military Censor [unnamed] (Libertas Sentinel Press House)
responsibilities: under the supervision of QM Alix, has charge of the censorship of information with regard to conditions in the Imperial Protectorate, as well as the elimination of all mention of the Kingdom of Jaedexia from any existing texts. Also has the charge of disseminating pro-Empire texts throughout the Imperial Protectorate…this also includes the curriculums for schools and other forms of Public Instruction/education.

----Harbor Master [unnamed] (The Hole)
responsibilities: A senior officer of the Imperial Navy, has charge of the processing of immigration and emigration from the Eastern and Western Gate, as well as the checking of manifests and cargoes of all vessels that enter and leave the Protectorate. Aided by a detachment of Imperial Marines, has charge of security over the eastern and western waterfronts, with the Hole as a temporary prison for delinquent sailors.

----Imperial Courier [L' Maison du Maire]
responsibilities: to have charge of the Imperial Mail that passes through the Imperial Protectorate, as well as the proper dissemination of military information between the interspersed arrondisements (a central communications hub, so to speak).

----Commandant of the Refugee Camp (The Refugee Camp)
responsibilities: has the primary charge of making sure that whoever gets in there, -stays- there. Other than meeting every so often with the Warden, he has all day to make sure he has clean fingernails.

[Wynd]

Alexis, I love you.

I'm putting this in the Wiki immediately. With full credit to you, of course.

[Rukahn]

Nice.

Would it be a good idea to make some names for this?

[Akallabeth]

Greetings. Might I request some information (or a link to?) on the city's military? Names, general compositions, specialties of such forces, and numbers of what military forces or forces of militant ability exist within the city? Naval guard forces included, if possible? Thanks!

Beyond that which is already listed here, of course.

[Wynd]

http://www.alleria.com/wiki/Jaedaxia?v=6i5

The Military section of the city's Wiki article should provide sufficient information.

But I'll repeat it in this post anyway.

Jaedaxia has no standing military under it's command. The Royal Army of Jaedaxia has been disbanded.

However, the city is under military rule, and is being occupied by the Second Imperial Legion. Jaedaxia does not command the Legion, so much as the Legion commands Jaedaxia.

The Second Imperial Legion consists of 100 000 legionnaires.

50 000 of those legionnaires are stationed inside Jaedaxia, the remaining 50 000 are spread out in the rest of the Imperial Protectorate of Northumbria, and though they are not part of my domain in Jaedaxia, they are commanded by an NPC who IS in my domain in Jaedaxia.

Lt. General Arokan Craelius commands the Second Imperial Legion, and he is educated in defeating Urban Insurgency.

An organization chart of the Second Imperial Legion can be found a few posts up, as well as in the Wiki article for Jaedaxia.

There are, at the moment, NO naval forces in Jaedaxia.

[Alexis Sapientia]

There are, at the moment, NO naval forces in Jaedaxia.

So the Archadoon Fifth went home, eh?

I suppose there's just the Harbormaster, then, and a few bored marines.

[Wynd]

That would be correct. After discussing it with Crazy Scotsman, he said that the 5th Imperial Navy had withdrawn all of its ships back to Archadoon. This was partly to avoid any possible conflicts regarding control over the fleet, as the ships are part of his moderation domain, but they would be in mine.

Now, this has the benefit of leaving Jaedaxia without any naval forces, meaning any aspiring PC, perhaps one with an inclination for the navy, might want to establish a navy in Jaedaxia, and, oh, I dunno, be made a Commodore? (; (;

[Fleur]

I have been reading some posts here and I came across your translations and i think some little changes will make them better french.

Such as Dorin translation to Chien-Homme. In fact french people would call it Homme-Chien and not the contrary. The same applies to Katta.

A fact with french is that most foreign names when spelled in french loose their final 'a' or 'o' especially for locations. Roma becomes Rome, Australia becomes Australie and Morocco becomes Maroc. So Medonia would be Medonie and Daltina-->Daltine and Jaedaxia-->Jaedaxie. Tirisfal would probably become Tirisfale and Diana-->Diane. Alleria-->Allerie.

I will try to make a list of translated words. You can use them if you like them

[Wynd]

<.< >.>

I score a 84% in gr. 11 French, and I still get showed up.

You're exactly right with the Homme-Chien thing. I was uncertain because, well, I don't usually thing of 'dog' as an adjective, but in "Dog-man" I suppose it would be. Yes?

Now, I hadn't even thought about Jaedaxienne names for places, but it would make perfect sense.

Allerie, Jaedaxie, Medonie, Daltine, Diane.

Tirisfale I'm not sure about, but I'll trust your judgement.

Allerian Prime - Premier Allerie, or possibly Principal Allerie.

Ok, list of Jaedaxienne places names. Let's start with provinces:

Provinces

Prime - le Premier, possibly Principal
Carmelyn - la Carmelynne
Sherian - la Sherianne
Enamoria - l'Enamorie
Centripax - le Centripax
Arium - l'Arium
Lauryl - le Lauryl
Arakmat - l'Arakmat

Any suggestions? Any errors in that?

[Fleur]

I'm Ok with most but I would see:
Prime-->Premiere (Prime being a province ie feminine noun Premiere would feet better)
Carmelyn-->Carmeline( french tend to use 'i' instead of 'y' in location names and Carmelyn is initially an adjective)
Centripax-->Cenripaxie(french words rarely finish with an x, and if so it is not pronounced)
Arium--> l'Ariaum(to read 'um' in french we must write 'aum')
Arakmat-->l'Arakmate (same as Centripax, a final 't' will not be pronounced)

And Eunesia--> Eunesie.
I think this is all I can see now.

[Wynd]

Just because it's a province doesn't mean it's feminine. Plenty of countries and provinces are mascluine (i.e. le Quebec).

Carmeline - right about the 'y' but Carmelyan is the adjective, not Carmelyn.

Arakmat, does the 't' really need to be pronounced?

And wow, I completely forgot about Eunesia.

[Roland Moonstar]

Mimesis: I seriously thought about your offer, but I'm not sure what I'd do about the following:

Originally Posted by Wynd

University of Arcane Science

The University of Arcane Science was shedding some of its mystery by the Opening of Jaedaxia’s Gates, presenting itself of the public with its arcane ingress at the Socrates University. Yet it was beset first by the Aetherfracture, rendering it defunct, and then, after the Shattering of the Unbinding Stone and the Return of Arcana, it was plagued by fears of the Rakrya, and the actions of one Prefect Roland Moonstar reversed that process of opening up to the public. In Alleria Prime, the Empire’s capital, the Rakrya, led by Julos the Mad, had seized power, ending the Regency of Alexander Nighthawk and the Interregency, while introducing mageocracy to the Allerian Empire.

With these events came the Shattering of the Unbinding Stone. The catastrophic nova that was the product unbound all who had once practised Arcana with the aid of the Aethergem and as the mages began to regain their abilities, suspicious against them blossomed throughout the realm because of the Rakrya. In Jaedaxia, this culminated when Prefect Roland Moonstar issued a Writ of Malfeasance against the Arcana University, charging the faculty with plotting to overthrow the Jaedaxian government and establishing a Rakryan, mageocratic regime in the city. The Jaedaxians believed their prefect, and shunned the mages. Their university was to be shut down.

This in addition to the fact that Juan used Roland's Edict agains the rebelling Jaedaxians as justification for the Imperial Invasion. If ever a man was persona non grata somewhere, it would be Roland in Jaedaxia. At least that's my OOC opinion on the matter.

[Mimesis]

A pity, I could have put Madame Guillotine to good use... Howsomever, good luck wherever you do decide to go!